原帖由 500 於 2007-2-27 06:49 發表
The report is merely just the beginning of the safety improvement.
Yes, and you are expecting a full report to be completed with all the analysis in place after what,
3 days of the accident? I hope not.
This is a major accident, and the investigation involves a lot of experts who are, at the moment,
painstakingly combing the site, the wreckage for clues, reviewing the train's data recorder, and
interviewed the driver who actually experienced the crash first-hand. They will need a few weeks,
if not months to gather and analyse the data before releasing their ultimate findings and make
appropriate recommendations to the public. Get real.
It is really funny to see people who think they knew better by just sitting in front of a computer
or TV, or maybe even just having read a few books or journals, than the professionals who has
experience in the industry and are actually on-site trying to piece out, from all the evidence lying
in front of them, what actually happened to the stricken train.
Oh, and let me tell you something. The Japanese railway industry is no doubt a class of its own,
but it is not bullet-proof either. The British railway operation is a completely different beast. Trying
to use the Japanese operational philosophy to analyse the problem of British railway is like applying
Cathay Pacific's operational culture to Ryanair. Railway operation is not just about tracks, trains and
infrastructures. The people and underlying politics, industries and community are just some of the
many factors you have been quite ignorant about, to say the least.
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It has just confirm that point failure has cause the derailment in this incident, according to The Times, three bolts have gone missing on stretcher bar on point, it is still not clear which stretcher bar have their bolts missing. I will keep reading newspaper to keep everyone inform.
Yes, and you are expecting a full report to be completed with all the analysis in place after what,
3 days of the accident? I hope not.
This is a major accident, and the investigation ...
Those so called 'professionals' may well be experts from a different walk of life who happens to be involved in hte 'health and safety' side of things. The investigator from HSE for the Potters Bar incident were allegedly nuclear technology and aviation experts.
Those so called 'professionals' may well be experts from a different walk of life who happens to be involved in hte 'health and safety' side of things. The investigator from HSE for the Pot ...
Yes, but you have overlooked the whole picture. In a safety audit or investigation, yes, the
majority of the engineers/professionals involved come, mainly, from that specific industrial
sector, but the common practice is to call upon other safety experts, which as you pointed
out, from other industries to conduct independent safety audit as well. This is not necessarily
a legal requirement in all industries (which is not the case in civil and military aviation world),
but is generally regarded as a best practice because these experts can, a lot of time, provide
an alternative view that helps plugging gaps that are otherwise being left.
So, some of the people involved may come from a completely irrelevant profession, but
they add a lot more value to safety management and investigations than a lot of outsiders
could ever imagine. It is only since having worked with some safety engineering and
airworthiness people in my organisation from the last year that I learnt a lot more about
all these. Although it is impossible for me to share more because of the nature of my work,
but my general comment is, safety management and accident investigations, esp for railway
and aviation industries, are far more complex, thorough, and exhaustive than anything that
general public could ever imagine.
Speaking of which, one of the safety engineer showed me this quote: "If you think safety
management is expensive, try having an accident." I cannot agree more on that.
